Thanks for taking a look. Press J to jump to the feed. The top front of the mags forward of the feedlips needs to be lowered about 1/8" to allow some over insertion, which should fix this problem. Your previous content has been restored. Saiga-12.com Corporation A similar question could ale be asked: why not include price as a gradeable category? The dreaded AK-47 *assault* shotgun, thankyouverymuch. Seems all others I tried fail in comparison. I purchased this gun for right at $1000 bucks. As a result, the traditional way to keep a shotgun running has been a tube magazine running along the bottom of the barrel. The dust cover is hinged to the shotgun, allowing the user to open and close the cover without losing the zeroing of a mounted optic. Some have guns that will run 3 dr Eq without work, but most end up just buying 3 1/4 dr stuff. Gifts sure. Cycling the action by hand, it doesnt seem rough, in fact, my WASR-10 which is completely reliable has a much grittier, noiser action. theres no prosecution history of 922r at all. See if the follower moves smoothly all the way down. Urban warfare. Is the type of jam always the same (spent shell not being fully ejected, shell getting stuck on feed ramp, etc.). Shame on you TTAG. If not them some other fix may be necessary. My long saga was over. The VEPR has the standard Krebs adapter affixed. First off the S12 was designed for heavy brass. Pants are optional. I feel fine with my Mossberg 590 for home defense and it only holds 5 rounds. With the cheek pad in place I couldnt get a good sight picture, and with it removed I couldnt get any kind of cheek or even chin weld on the stock. The effect of these changes is that the gun is a lot easier to handle straight out of the box. I might cut my house in half, but there is no way in hell anybody is leaving that place alive. It runs like a damn champ now. Also lubed the carrier rails on the receiver. How much does a shotgun with that thing on it weigh, fully loaded? Well Im a good shot and either they will be dead or I will before Im done with the six rounds. I recommend the reviewer READS the owners manual first before in touches any gun. The price for the basic package is about $210 which honestly seemed a little pricey at first, but I was at my wits end with this gun and decided to pull the trigger as it were. But i WILL b racking the hell outta that sgm mag once i get home because the issue seems to be alot worse with the sgm. I believe completely that there is room for personal opinion on a reviewbut no reason whatsoever to leave out/ get WRONG tec.data. Yet it never fails. Its pretty much always the same malfunction. Modifications arent covered in reviews. Speaking only for myself, Im glad to trade the pretense of mathematical objectivity for reviews that are an honest reflection of an informed persons opinions and preferences. I rarely loan money to friends unless I have no intention of ever having it paid back. the issue has been had with numerous #6 shot and also random target loads, all 2 3/4"slugs and 00buck run flawlessly. The addition of a magazine well, another unusual feature for a Kalashnikov-pattern firearm, allows for "straight in" magazine insertion, as opposed to the "rock and lock" procedure required on standard AK rifles and the Saiga-12 shotgun. I have seen people complain about the S12 not cycling light target loads. MAGS INCLUDED. How many FPS are the rounds you are running? I just dont get that feeling of reliability like I do with the others. Semi-auto AK-style shotguns arent new, and weve reviewed them before on the site. First, your limited thinking cant come up with all the tactical and practical applications for a semi-auto shotgun that reloads quickly and easily? Overall rating is not mathematically derived from the previous component ratings and encompasses all aspects of the firearm including those not discussed. Toggle navigation. I tried the new performance springs from CSS with no luck. $1200 is way too much. Make your guide rod upgrade quick and painless! The gun had no problems in cycling 00 buck in either 2- or 3-inch shells. And, since my kids all sleep upstairs, I can simply keep the weapon at less than horizontal + 15 degrees and they are totally safe. As a practical matter, 922r compliance is something the feds care a lot about IF you are a large scale manufacturer, but not if you are the end user. fack is most usa parts not mark Per 100 or 200. All you need to do is remove the walnut stock. Mine has a small amount of play in it too, but not much. At first I thought it was because the RPK handguard i got is a tiny bit shorter and it was wiggling out of place but I put the original back on and I still had it happen today. Everyone wanted to play with it. Press J to jump to the feed. And with it locked back, the trigger is locked. It is patterned after the original Kalashnikov rifle and built on the heavier RPK light machine gun receiver. Ive seen some of the video and it looks like Vepr-12 doesnt like some optics on its top rail. You left out a very important feature of the bolt-release button on the VEPR-12, which acts like the bolt release on an AR-15. I am assuming your problem is with the trigger somewhere, but I can't be certain. I was referring to the hornady 9 pellet OOB 1600 FPS load described in the quote. Does anyone know if the 20-shot drum magazine (for instance for Saiga) operates with this Molot Vepr? The stamped steel receiver is reinforced, thicker (1.5mm instead of 1mm), and more heavily constructed than a standard Kalashnikov-pattern rifle. best point this is ohio man was open carry a gun wich is leagle police detain him with out cause orther then the gun they found he can sue the state and police. the gas piston threaded into the bolt carrier has a little play in it side to side where it actually threads into the bolt carrier. In doing so, we learn a lot about how the VEPR 12 feeds and ejects different types of ammo. With the VEPR-12, it looks like some of those problems have been fixed. Have they solved the dis-assembly pin warp problem on the VEPR 12 yet? I dont get the part about magazines and home defense. Id hate to be the test case, but it seems likely that if anything, the test case would likely be a pretext prosecution (i.e. Instead of the traditional stock theres a skeletonized tubular stock and a pistol grip. I am not aware of any shotgun that is as capable as the V12 in the $800ish range. The only slugs I run now are the Brenneke. From what I understand, you are not supposed to use low brass ammo in the VEPR12 - it's in the manual somewhere. The more stable the shooter, the more reliable your shotgun will run. Early versions of the Vepr-12 were produced by Izhmash, with production moving to the Molot factory where the shotgun was redesigned and mass-produced. People said the m16 was a solution in search of a problem to, Umm the XRAIL is $$$ ( I could buy two JM Mossburg 930s instead ) and puts a huge weight WAY out from the shooters body, so for less money I can pickup a 25 round drum magazine that I can slot in and out much easier than reloading the XRAIL. 1200fps and up have had much more success than lighter loads and "low recoil" stuff. This was one of the reasons I purchased the VEPR 12. 31 0 0. You need to insert and empty magazine and then rack the action back, which is an extra step for something so crucial. Then of course the possibility of violating firearms laws in a different state. How can you as a journalist allow personal bias against a COMPLETELY different firearm affect your opinion of this one? By Much like its cousin the Saiga-12, the Vepr-12 is ideal for clay shooting, with appropriate optics. Apparently, guy who has made way too many posts. Exactly what the second amendment is primarily for, to have a well regulated militia. Wanted to obtain a collapsible Hell, you gave that GI 1911 with sights part of the slide and no rails a 5. About 5 min with a dremmel and you can add a little more value to your gun, of course you should always .make the gun 922r compliant first. Bwahahahaaaaaa!!! If youre thinking about home defense, thats probably the best application I could think of for the gun. On the flip side, you have to draw the line somewhere and if there were a rating category for every possible facet of a firearm then the ratings would be longer than the review article. Dissident Arms designed our competitionguide rod assembly to correct inconsistent spring stacking, making for much smoother travel of the carrier during cycling. Instead of the standard AK safety selector, some Vepr-12 shotguns have an ambidextrous safety that can be manipulated from either side of the receiver. Believe it or not, many more pumps than autos. I work from a home office in my basement. For full power buckshot loads it runs flawlessly. After receiving the gun, I put a new Chaos quad rail on, got a CSS muzzle brake, new Hogue grip, Mako GL-SHOCK stock, Molot factory AR buffer tube hinge adaptor and magazine release button extension. Then came the check the gas block and ports. Since the Saiga puts you in the higher classes of 3 gun I bought a Mossberg 930 SPX. Even then some just do not like light loads. I suppose that makes sense for hogs though. This is Russian AK; is built of steel, like Russian T-34 tank. Full VEPR 12 walk through, ammo test and review. It looks like something that was invented specifically for a video game or a Schwarzenegger movie. It worked for me and now I have a smooth running gun that I'm proud to own. One of them was a little bit shitted up. In this video I do a short review of my new Vepr 12 and test the shotgun using both high brass and low brass ammunition. Im not worried about needing more than 6 rounds of 12 gauge for home defense. The button is located smartly ahead of the trigger guard in the middle of the receiver. Had a Saiga 12 and it was a fun range gun. Nick, if you hate AKs thats fine just dont review them and make excuses for why you give them bad reviews without justification. And Id be swapping the stock for something thats not welded open and awkward, so might as well get something American while doing that, giving you another compliance part. I couldnt tell you on the overpenetraion aspect, as most of their buckshot is the same across the board. At what point of the loading is it having the issue? Based on the RPK standard, the Vepr 12 shares the same legendary . The problem with shotguns is that the ammunition is huge and awkward. I recommend factory springs. Somethingto try and may help. Ergonomics Firing: * * * * We. The first, and tightest, was Federal's LE 12700 that showed the sights were regulated low and right, which was quickly corrected without tools on the adjustable tangent rear. Message boards are awesome resources of knowledge. I hope that some of this information will help those of you out there who are having problems similar to mine. Capacity: 4+1 Finally, I came across an outfit named Cobra's Custom based in North Carolina and run by a gunsmith named Shannon Neely. Ill report back. The Vepr-12 also incorporates a unique safety catch and bolt release mechanism. I keep a competition Beretta for skeet shooting and my mossberg 500 and Benelli m4 share the roll of home defense. Yea that was the first thing i thought also. This results in roughness in the action and (FTE) Failure to Eject problems. I second the Wally world suprema ammo. I have fired several hundreds of rounds with my Folding Stock, VEPR 12. Although I like both these guns, shooting slugs from them can be painful, especially after a dozen shots. As the author said, it was a solution looking for a problem. atf got so so bussy they got better things to do the strip down your gun see if compliant probe is they need Give them the right sponsorship contract and they would be using it. The feed mod is first. I took a look at my Vepr 12 and I cannot see any differences between yours and mine. That is, the bolt locks to the rear of the receiver after the last round has been ejected. Hornady is one of the few companies that is honest about pellet size too. Then I looked at my ugly but 100% reliable $200 Mossberg 500 with 8 rounds and a wood stock. ive had nothing but issues feeding cheap rounds.FTE almost every single time. Looks like a dismantle and deep clean is in order for this thing. I charged the gun with a factory 5-round magazine and fired away. For practical terms, look for loads that are either at least 1 1/8 oz (32 gram) of shot moving 1200 FPS or faster (3 dr eq). If there were only a single overall rating, it may not reflect whats important to some people vs. others. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. You have entered an incorrect email address! Some of the first advice I got was to take out the bolt carrier, clean the factory grease and relube. It has a collapsible Colt M4-style Magpul sliding stock. Sometimes price is included in the ratings, and usually it is in the discussion. Stay away from bird shot, and low FPS loads. Like having a pistol that shoots .22, 9mm, .40, .45, and .357 magnum interchangeably. Herters #00 Buckshot Crafted with high-quality components, this versatile buckshot is suitable for personal and home defense. VEPR 12 issues. springfield-hellcat-for-sale The brenneke slugs I've used have been more accurate over the others. Ratings are relative to all other similar firearms. | Disclaimer. I went through 8 guns to get 3 that worked. Mine won't function with them either. I did add a forward grip, get a picatiny rail, two allen screws with anchors, remove the bottom stock, install the two screws with anchors and reassemble. The bolt release tab then protrudes out indicating you have a locked colt. The problem arises when optics of certain shapes / sizes are placed on the rail in such position that a shell ejecting can hit the optic (think eotech) slowing/stopping/bouncing the eject . So I suppose you ran your 3 gun AR bone stock with zero modifications then. Is over-penetration what it is supposed to do? It holds enough ammo for any situation and is easy to load on the march. Make sure to subscribe to our channel for more!\r\rFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/mistergunsdotcom\r\rInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/mistergunsdotcom\r\rWebsite: https://misterguns.com/ I have several ARs and a hundred or so 30 round mags. I had a box of Federal 8 shot, and Winchester Universal 7 1/2 shot. I think shotguns are the best home defense weapon point it in the intruders general direction and youre likely to really ruin their day. As a side note, I did use it to shoot a can of Mt. I dont see the Vepr as much of an improvement. Finally I had a gun that cycled smoothly and fired effortlessly! Its better than the Saiga-12, but the safety is an issue for me and the gun feels like it has very sharp edges and rough machining. A lot of TTAGs overall star ratings mention that theyre comparing the gun to similar guns in a similar price range. Hence the fat portion of the piston. This results in roughness in the action and (FTE) Failure to Eject problems. So,wouldnt it be embarassing to be the 1st person to be done in by it? Barrel: 19 inches Loans no. The VEPR-12 is definitely an improvement over the Saiga-12, but as far as I can tell it's still a solution looking for a problem. And lastly, just my opinion, If paralax is an issue and you cant compensate for 1 then maybe a different hobby is better for you. The safety on the m1 rifle and several other firearms is in the trigger gaurd. Well, first I was thinking it was the bcg but after fiddling with it, the trigger and hammer are resetting. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. The Vepr-12 is intended to be a direct competitor to the widely popular Saiga-12 shotgun already produced by Izhmash. Ive beaten competitors much better than me that used those in Trooper division simply because their gun didnt work. That and my EAA Match 10mm. No longer do you have to count your rounds and then muscle the new magazine into place with the bolt forward, it locks open just like an AR-15. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. I also found another guy in Texas who ran a business with similar services although after trying to get in touch with him, it appears that he is currently experiencing medical issues and could not help me. The aftermarket for Veprs has gotten much better in the past few years as well. Molot VEPR. It is accurate. It actually works and is much easier to use. You need to bend the pegs of your hammer spring towards the outside of the receiver. mossberg-silver-reserve-for-sale (They are too bulky to be practical but lots of fun otherwise). 3-gun competition? Iron sights on the VEPR-12 work decently because they can be zeroed and give the shooter 2 aiming reference points. Except the 12 is still gauge rather than diameter in millimeters I DONT UNDERSTAND! To my dismay, she would only cycle high brass, buckshot, and slug rounds. Buy New pre ban Molot Vepr-12 10rd magazine 10 round 12-guage mag Russian Ten : GunBroker is the largest seller of AK47 Parts Gun Parts All: 972965496. Pasted as rich text. Factory last round bolt hold open. Why arent top 3 gun shooters using it? Full VEPR 12 walk through, ammo test and review. Your bolt could also be an issue, but I would have to see pictures.Let me know if you upload any new pictures, and I'll take another look. I rapid fired, as well as took my time between shots. 9mm Pistol, Federal District Court Judge Orders Illinois to Show Examples of Every Newly-Banned Firearm, Gun Review: Taylors & Company TC9 1873 SA Single Action Revolver, http://www.birminghampistol.com/?product=vepr-12-gauge-ak-style-shotgun-semi-auto-folder-stock-welded-open, https://gritrsports.com/shooting/firearms/rifles/ak-47-rifles/. Most obvious is probably that the gun comes from the factory configured the way youd want it. If something goes bump in the night just grab it and rack the slide. October 8, 2014 in Vepr-12. I received my VEPR-12 shortly after the ban on Russian imports began and probably paid a little too much for it, but what the heck! No problems for me as of yet. $2,699.99. Its much more convenient and a lot quicker to reload. where-to-buy-guns 'S in the VEPR12 - it 's in the ratings, and Winchester 7! Is, the Vepr-12 is ideal for clay shooting, with appropriate optics than autos have. 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