Jules Bury advertising from the 1930ies.Courtesy of littlegun.be. This is a rare 20 gauge August Lebeau double barrel shotgun, side locks, extractors, factory 2 3/4 inch chambers, ordered and shipped in 1912 to Russia. LLH (and other Belgian makers) made the tubes used by most of the U.S. double gun makers 1920s-1940s, with Siemens-Martin or Krupp (by license) steel supplied by Cockerill. Then emigrated to Belgium at the end of 1859. Old Time Radio; 78 RPMs and Cylinder Recordings; Top. BY CONFLICT. But despite the history the belgian proof stamps are rather straight forward, normally one cant get more information from the proof more than it has been done if one cant find the inspectors mark. Barrel is 27". Get this product now as it would not last, Contract - 5.56 x 45mm 62 Gr. BY TYPE. He was registered with the Liege Proof House from 1896 to 1947. Cowboy & Old Western History Items 2/3/2023 Bargain Basement 2/3/2023 Check our Services. Just because a long gun from Belgium is a flintlock, therefore, doesn't necessarily mean that it's "of the period," as antique dealers say. Bodson TH. Oftentimes it makes no sense to let go of the past, particularly since shotguns from higher-quality Damascus steel are as shootable today as they were 150-plus years ago. John Browning's Auto-5 set the bar for semi-automatic shotguns. will it take normal 12 gauge shells then? CONTENTS INCLUDE Just let us know if you are disappointed. Damascus barrels are 36". Butt plate is horn, no cracks. The date stamps is not used on all guns, otherwise that is the most accurate. The family was in the barrel making business from the 1880's until mid the 1960's. http://www.littlegun.be/arme belge/artisans identifies d/a delcour dupont gb.htm This is Jean-Baptiste Delcour-Dupont and his son Oscar, 1924. Colard Louis - Counet Lonard In the U.S., American made guns tend to be more desirable and more valuable than others, especially from the flintlock era. Handsome pinfire double manufactured in the 1860's. Since it reads >>Made in Belgium<< on the side of the tubes it was made for export. Closset J.M. As I've said, I'm not an expert. (Thanks to my friend Daryl Hallquist!) Walnut stocks are good with some field wear. Receiver, trigger guard, hammers and side locks are engraved with a floral motif. Lige is in the French-speaking part of Belgium. manufacturers identifying marks, more commonly referred to as Proof Marks, Arsenal or Inspector Marks Ancion Marx x\}WT_0qk E%Mp8@S36QG7=TFx,P?wU]4v>3}wc)0~_+. Charlier Ch. Caliber 15mm, length 122cm. Good overall condition. I have a Belgian muzzle loader pistol with the cylinder marked "ELG" in a circle with a star underneath it in the circle, there is also a "D" on the cylinder underneath the proof mark. Sorry for my delay in responding: I've been OOT and off-line for two weeks. Fredrick M. Diss of Colchester ~ten gauge boxlock with nice barrels ~ 3" nitro proofs! The Browning website features a page where you can search for your firearm's serial number or click on the model to locate the serial number. Thank you Jerry. Colt Model 1848 (Baby Dragoon) Five-Shot Percussion . Hammers cock and function properly. Quality: Our mission is to preserve old firearms catalogs at a reasonable price before they are all gone, but our reprints are NOT forgeries of originals, they are exact copies of the originals but not necessarily the exact size or on the original paper or with the original binding. View all posts by Wolfgang von Brauchitsch , TOY FOR A BOY DREYSE TESCHING from 1894. Stocks are good with minor nicks and dings. Too, seems to be an odd, long cut in the standing breech for the Greener Crossbolt. I'm very excited and can't wait for some replies. I live in Tennessee and would love help on identifying this gun down to the year and place made. It's an old Belgian made SXS 12 gauge, marked "Lancaster Arms Co." From doing a little research on the proof marks, I think it was made sometime just pre-WWI. ('Manufacturer') Home > Product Catalog Shotguns made in Belgium category Firearms/ Small arms 731 Rifles 237 Shotguns 359 Pistols 134 Blank/Signal/Rubberball pistols 1 Black powder/Muzzleloader 2 Ammunition 3 Ammunition Components/Reloading 20 This includes many fine Browning A5 shotguns and the Superposed shotgun. Andr M.J. Hammers cock and function properly. is 1.220 kg (43.00 oz). I bought an old shotgun from my uncle, he bought it in the late 40s early 50s. Handsome English Sidelock double with hammers. Rib is marked "Vicente Arizmendi Eibar". )t/!Z $e9]DG=Ljr%@6) 8F&Kx[2l~WY7#|9&~L~G3jjV?~2SN?2&=qb'3d0W>l#G2;/|D)c~liS>2lVbD""L0M7;Q"gd)g"G{\3efBd. Have had this gun in family for as far as i remember at least 40 years. and hardbound book, written in English and French by Alain Daubresse, provide an extensive Manufactured in the 1860's. Hammers function properly. Fakes and fraudulentmakers' marksare not a recent invention--note what William Greener said in 1835 (seemy earlier post of April 20, 2014). 14 Designates guns with rifled chokes. Courard Is there a stamp of LLH on the tubes forward of the flats? A complete list of suppliers of shotguns. American gun makers including Supplement of AMerican gun makers Item Preview remove-circle Share or Embed This Item. Hammers cock and function properly. Belgian Arms cie First Obligatory Proof Load for "Double-Barreled Breech-Loading Sporting Guns", Have a us arms Belgium, looking for info, reciever and barrel are stamped with 1563 has the circle elf star, has the Le peron, barrel ha a 33 stamp and an 18.0 stamp also has something that looks like JIT stamped any comments appreciated , trying to figure out when it was made. Proof Marks or "Proofs" as they are sometimes referred to have changed over time, therefore assisting in dating the arm. Ever seen that? CONTACT. Please - no questions about your old guns. Bastin Frres Other than the diameter stamp, I don't see a 70mm stamp. i have old 12 bore gun with marking as -elg with crown above in oval shape, PV, CHOKE, 1KG 545, X WITH STAR ON IT, 12.65, these r sum of the markings, the condition is good, its our family gun, but i dont know it value or year of manufacture, if u can help. Designates rifled barrel. 3 vols. Bores are excellent. How do I price this piece? The gun was restocked with a new buttstock. outlawman7 - The reason for a lack of response here may be found in the post immediately above yours. The numbers 138 G(looks like a 1) are under the proof mark. Locks are engraved with scenes of dogs on point. stream Hi Gerard and everyone! 7. Bouquin Ad it was my grandfathers and has been in the family for a while. A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts including the Remington, Beretta, and Mossberg shotguns brands. Very helpfull once again. Baron Emile On barrels of breechloading shotguns after final black powder proof. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Hammers cock and function properly. Bronne Gustave Project Upland. Belgian proofs are among the oldest and have a very long history. It's very old but I'd like to know more about it. The Modern Shotgun. Boden As the old saying has it, "The buyer needs a thousand eyes; the seller, only one." The same stamp but smaller is found on Flobert guns, selfloading pistols with a excess proof pressure of 50%, on barrels of top break guns for Flobert or revolvers cartridges an excess pressure of 30% and or revolvers which are proofed with 30-50% excess loads. Missing the ramrod. The 16 Gauge sidelock unfortunately was such pitted, that there was only one way to save it. Butt plate has a minor chip at the toe. ]v8 >ZX 2Fu}) Also on the chamber there are three marks, one which I have not been able to identify, but appears to be provisional proof? Its a nice example for the typical engraving ligois which is second to none without doubt and seems to be more artful than the british engraving. I have a Belgium 38-40 with a 7 in barrel all matching. presented below is the first of the series and is covering the gunmakers whose names are Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Locks are marked "T. Barker". Very good overall condition. There's no indication of chamber length--but that didn't begin until 1892.The other marks I can't identify.So what can I tell you? Be sure to bookmark our new arrivals page and check it often. Flintlock fowling pieces and rifles were made for the Northwest Indian trade until the early twentieth century; so, too, percussion long guns for sale in Africa. 1 On the chamber or or lock on muzzle loading which has passed final black powder proof. The 1KG 545 is the barrel weight in grams. Drue, yes, the absence of rifling means that this pin-fire was used for shot.Pin-fires represent an important stage in the development of firearms. Markings on gun barrels and other gun components that indicate the level of pressure, calibre and standards that a weapon is fit for in service.. Sorry I can't be more helpful. Colt Firearms Wish I could be more helpful! 1848. The gun has 72 cm barrels and weighs only 2,8 Kg. Dear Shamsher, I can't help much without sharp photos, but it appears your gun is Belgian, made in Liege, no earlier than 1893. Anonymes (Improved) Nr. Collectors Firearms, LLC. Copyright 2023 All rights reserved. Bores are excellent. I know the bottom image. Scarce 10 gauge. Antique Shotguns (Pre-1899): Belgian Shotguns, Side by Side Shotguns, Our inventory of antique shotguns is made up of shotguns manufactured before 1899, including English, French, and Belgian shotguns. Coquilhat Aim A "Greener" double? The company built side-by-side double barrel shotguns throughout WW2. We don't know a lot about this maker except that he set up shop at 5 Pelham's Lane in Colchester, Essex, from 1901 to 1913. All written content, illustrations, and photography are unique to this website (unless where indicated) and not for reuse/reproduction in any form. Damascus barrels are 28". The mark was seldom requested, Chamber dimensions in millimeters shotguns undergoing smokeless proof. Without a photo, I can't add anything to what you already know: it's a handgun made in Belgium. A fine antique 18th Century Double Barreled English Percussion Sporting Gun by the famous maker Henry Nock London, caliber 14 mm . Category: Boxlocks. One of the better known makers of Belgian Guns during the "Golden Age" of Lige was Jules Bury, arquebusier in Lige passage Lemonnier, 11. The "1136" might be the serial number for that pair of pistols. cardboard cover and the paper used for the printing was of the high glossy type and Shotguns became popular after the U.S. Army used them during the First World War while close-range fighting in trenches. Anyone else know? The problem is this mark was used from 1818 (muzzle loading period) until 1893, so that hardly narrows down the time frame. Would that appear at this location on the piece?What Im attempting to do, is get this pistol appraised; thus the research to discover all the markings. Good overall condition. fair bore, good stock, 22'' barrel, Used aboard ship for firing a bomb lance or harpoon, circa 1850s. Beckers G. 8. . Can't help much w/o some photos (send to ghcox3@gmail.com). Thanks to Raimey Ellenburg we can enlight it a little bit more: If load data is present on the tubes, it saw manufacture between 1897 1903. SCH or EC is abbreviations of the powder: SCH meaning Schultze. carefully bound by threads. I can't tell if it was proved for nitro: those have a lion over the PV. Hello,I have a flintlock rifle that is stamped "spesco corporation made in Belgium" on the top of the smoothbore barrel. Included is a copy of the factory Ledger sheet .Click for more info. Please direct all other inquiries to militaryfactory AT gmail.com. Can be without star and ring. For information, questions, or comments, call us at (877) 214-9327 or email [emailprotected]. So I'd guess it was made in the late 1800's. For now, the year of introduction of E.C. Good overall condition. Very fine sidelock double with 34 Damascus barrels. [Later note: Gerhard Wirnsberger has written. Bury Jules. Makers - Darne, Merkel, Arrieta, Beretta, Browning, Holland, Purdey, Richards, Bernardelli, Parker, Fox, LC Smith, and most other double barreled shotgun, gun and double rifle makers. The Liege proof house was established in 1672 and it is the oldest European proof house still in operation. The crowned R was for revolvers after semi-smokeless proof and 50 % excess pressure. 254.541.2985 John Hille, john@jhille.com. Barrels when disasembled are marked with Belgian proofs near chambers. Scroll through our inventory of antique pistols and handguns from our cartridge pistols and revolvers category below. All 24 Shotguns made in Belgium, Belgian made Shotguns from manufacturers.name.include? Bischop Pierre Quite old. Markus, clearly your gun is from 1943, but look, you have used a 2011 old post. It has punched on one side of barrel 17.2, on the other side punched JC, EL ,pinfire symbol, K and crown on its top, E LG little crown under them in oval.Please help me to get the closest identification for this nice firearm. Hi, Jeremy. I occasionally found two typical examples with a gunmaker friend nearby. Side by side with auto ejectors and single selective trigger. Any idea what it all means? Thanks again for the help! . Purchased by Val Forgett of Navy Arms in 1978. Baker, David J. Damascus barrels are 30". Stocks are good with some field wear. Seller: Jacob Hranowskyj. Email: ghcox3@gmail.com. Good overall condition. I'm still working on a date and it seems like narrowing it down by what years it could'nt be from might be a better strategy. My best guess is that it's a maker's mark, but of course I could be wrong. He was registered with the Liege Proof House from 1896 to 1947. Closset Louis - Remy Hubert Audio Books & Poetry; Computers, Technology and Science; Music, Arts & Culture; News & Public Affairs; . I think it was made 1890 but not sure. I have my grand dads Belgian Browning A5 Sweet Sixteen. Applied to all guns made but not proofed in Belgium - sent to an other country proof facilities. English sidelock with hammers by Manton. Unmarked as most are. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Locks are scroll engraved and marked "C. G. Bonehill". 3 into Europe is unknown. Good overall condition. This mark is found on guns that is not made in Belgium by countries that use proofs that is not recognized by the Belgian Proof House. Is there a 70mm stamp on the extractor blade faces? "Cueruy" could be the maker. Beau, I need help finding out more about this pistol.. leg in a circle star over the k in 3 places and a crown over jj and the name j. Cueruy and NR under the grip. Or any info? Original British Martini-Henry Rifle Extractor Mk IV From $34.95 Free Domestic Shipping on orders $300+ Hassle Free 30 Day Return Period 100% Safe Secure Checkout Guaranteed Authentic to the Historical Period Nowadays these firearms are mostly used for hunting or kept at home for self-defence. Just got hold of a 12gauge apparently belgian shotgun with a mark reading AB and an M below, surrounded by a small circle with a crown on top. On this page, once you scroll past the patent stuff, you'll find a gun very much like yours. Navigation (GPS, altimetres, compasses, maps), Immediate shipping on a all products listed. Forearm has a chip. Today's biography is a guest post by our friend Robert White - thanks, Robert! Attractive Spanish manufactured side by side shotgun produced in the 1890's. Sidelock double with hammers. Double proof as prescribed by the French law of 1810. . Locks are marked "W.J Harvey". Withdraw it and lay it along the barrel, lining up the pencil mark with the muzzle. Colleye Henri Joseph The second J. Arendt Maurice See all my Guns on Guns International Click on Link CLEMENT, J. Each gun maker is presented with the maximum of data available and a wealth of color pictures about the most typical pieces . Revolver. Ithaca opened in 1883 and built a number of different boxlock-style side-by-sides, including the Crass . Stevans): cant verify it is Maj. Doan, but on his hip is a pistol, which looks alike a 7 in. (copy right L.R. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, Brandon, but I've been out of the country w/o internet access. The locks are the components, including the hammers, that actually fire the gun. Barrels are not rifled- does this mean it must be a shotgun? 1839. Gun Barrel Proof Marks. . Bon chance; PoliticalPinbacks, 6 years ago Nice shotgun love the look but agree I wouldn't want to be the first to fire it. Good overall condition. Metal has a greying patina. Weight of proofed barrels, after 1924 fractions of grams no longer used. The frontend remains original. Comblain Dieudonn Joseph JavaScript is disabled. GI#: 102181883. Side by side shotguns of this era are highly collectable and our inventory changes frequently. Handguns, shotguns, machine guns, battle rifles Seekins Precision Glen Seekins Seekins Precision United States Civilian S&T Motiv S&T Holdings Co Ltd South Korea Military S&W Horace Smith and Daniel B. Wesson Smith & Wesson: United States Various: Savage Arthur Savage Savage Arms: United States SCCY SCCY Firearms: United States Seraphim Armoury . Lock and barrel are unmarked. But of course he also made quite normal guns for the average hunter. Revolving Carbine / Shotgun. Colette Victor Any idea how to date it? Do check with a gunsmith before you shoot it! Heyday of the Shotgun: The art of the gunmaker at the turn of the last century. The famous "hump back" was made in countless configurations and gauges. 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