I don't like to upset people. ROBERT: What does it look like? That's it. That's what I remember her saying. They won't grow much on the outside, but on the inside That is the time where the sperms are developing. LYNN PALTROW: I think I was really horrified and terrified. Also, thanks to Carl Zimmer whose latest is. And she's a complete nut. There were four girls and Barbara and Destiny told me that a few years ago they found three of them and they all either were in college or had finished college. So, of course the folks at the Vivarium asked him. JAD: What can't you? The question that was stuck in my head right then was, "If you could choose between being born knowing that your life might end up like that and not like it is now, or not been born at all, what would you have done?". JAD: And I know I cant change those genes. Anyways, God bless you. ROBERT: So if they saw somebody who was starving as a kid in 1820, they could then see, "Well, when those people had children and grandchildren, did anything change? Meet Jeremiah! CARL ZIMMER: Yeah. Really slowly, gradually, achingly slowly. PAT: Did that scare you at all? Inheritance Radiolab Podcast Genetics Homework Assignment Homework assignment on the Radiolab podcast 'Inheritance', developed for a college-level cell biology class. Once a kid is born, their genetic fate is pretty much sealed. Yeah. PAT: Destiny says before she was born, her mom had four other girls. That doesn't matter. We inherited this beloved show that we first fell in love with as listeners. JAD: Plus, you know, Lamarck didn't get all the biological details right. BARBARA HARRIS: He wasn't a little happy baby. If your grandpa didn't starve, instead he lived through great times. Sat her on my lap, with her little dress on and her little curly hair. So much can happen after that. That's what good rat mothers do, they lick their babies a lot. I mean, yes, I might get a great family, but I might not. ROBERT: So you think you can get deep down? Test the outer edges of what you think you know. So here's what you're going to notice. He was known for going around and giving, what he called, his big show lectures, where he would wow whole audiences of people. Yeah. Destiny has, what, three brothers and sisters that also were raised with her? LYNN PALTROW: I'm Executive Director and Founder of National Advocates for Pregnant Women. Destiny has, what, three brothers and sisters that also were raised with her? How was this woman allowed", "To walk into the hospital and drop off a damaged baby and just walk away with no consequences?". ROBERT: But, this hour were gonna fight this sort of sad sack feeling of inevitability and impotence. Yeah, it was a very attractive theory to them in Moscow. Sincerely, Jennifer.". You can do this. So she told me Barbara had another baby and Did we want it? In just two generations, these toads seem to have done something that should have taken, I don't know, 50, 100 generations? He actually coined the word biology, too. JAD: Because here's the thing, the churches up in verkalix kept incredibly detailed records. I know I've been joking a lot in this interview, but I mean it with all that I am. That was nice. This, of course, is Destiny. I make a difference to her. He thought that because theyre swinging hammers all day, they got big bulky muscles, and then theyd pass the muscles to their children. Baby, be careful. All jokes aside. But in the middle of a conversation about how to fight the virus, we find a place impervious to the stalled plans and frenetic demands of the outside world. Thats like, I mean, that seems like a thing that would be frightening. DESTINY HARRIS: Not been born at all. You dont really say it to yourself that way, but yeah. JAD: But according to Kammerer, here's what happened when he heated up the toads little cage. You got your good parents and your bad parents. I wouldn't want to put it up to chance, because what kind of life is that? You know, they say it only takes one time. You don't think that they should have their children back?]. MICHAEL MEANEY: Yep, Im a professor in the faculty of medicine at McGill University in Montreal. That's the headline for his talk, and then CARL ZIMMER: Right below the headlines says, "Scientist's great discovery which may change us all.". Since birth. [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: Harris says her program, children requiring a caring community, or CRACK], [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: Can prevent thousands of unwanted births to drug-addicted women. JAD: I tell you what I'm going to do though. Just until they hatch and then 'til they go off. Not usually because it upsets people and I'm Canadian. And this idea won him a lot of fans, including, not surprisingly, the Soviets. I said, "No, no, that's okay." JAD: It's writer, Sam Kean again, and here's, he says, what you need to know about the midwife toad. LULU: Oh actually, real thing, before we go, Latif. JAD: And thats wrong [laughs].Thats not how it works. PAT: And that's when things would start to get out of control. SAM KEAN: Because theyre reaching for the tops of trees. You know? Where sound illuminates ideas, and the boundaries blur between science, philosophy, and human experience. It's a guided audio tour through cities where Radiolab Ken Burns and others. You know, just take a little peek for themselves, and every time Kammerer said no, they were his specimens. Were told. Because we had already had to upgrade from a car to a van, from a condo to a home. JAD: Anyhow, so you got this guy, Paul Kammerer, who's good with animals. ROBERT: But the story he told us begins around 25 years ago. She'll be two in January. ], [ARCHIVAL Clip, Daytime Talkshow: You get them $200 each, which they can spend on crack. And very often, one of them will just go crashing into the DNA and it'll stick there like a barnacle or a glob of peanut butter. You're slippery, partner's slippery. I had a little basketball for her. JAD: But wouldnt it be nice if thats how it worked? More of this particular protein. So, somehow, by some chemical mechanism, starving grandpa, back when he was about 9 to 12 years old, turned out to be a good thing. LYNN PALTROW: The fact that you're motivated by a really beautiful, important value, that we want healthy kids, doesn't mean the mechanism you're using is going to end up helping those kids. If you were a boy in verkalix between the ages of 9 and 12 years old, that's the window, 9 to 12, you're a boy, and then we have one of those terribly rough winters, and you're eating much less than normal. JAD: Because while you might have a lot of influence, you know, genetically speaking, over your kids and their kids, you don't seem to have a lot of control. OLOV BYGREN: It's a small forest area, very beautiful. They didn't have grains. And that number, by the way, has grown a lot. He stuffed himself silly; 9, 10, 11 years old, so he's a happy grandpa, you the grandson, you then would have. I think what's weird here is that is that we started trying to make a difference in our children and now we're surprise attacked by our grandparents. At the Vivarium, as the name suggests, they have live animals. JAD: Well think about what makes proteins. CARL ZIMMER: She is nine. They like to hang out in the water and the females like to lay eggs in the water. Okay, all right, this is interesting. MICHAEL MEANEY: Yes. And if you haven't, you can choose to have an IUD, or an implant put in which will last for several years. There's going to be this massacre of toads and only a few lucky ones are going to survive. I said, "No, no, that's okay." Yeah, there you go. ROBERT: Inheritance, what you can move on to the next generation and what you can't. Whole lifetime of stretching. ], This could mean sterilization, it could mean getting an IUD.]. His example with humans was a blacksmith. [laughs[ Exactly. And that could have very easily have been one of us. PAT: Watching this, I couldn't help but think that Destiny's very existence is probably the most interesting argument against what Barbara is doing. If they see methyl groups sitting on that bit of DNA, they are pissed. The sperm carries these marks to the next generation. ROBERT: Well, so here's the thing. Honestly, I think it never seemed like she was anything but my real mom, if that makes sense. Methylations, phosphorylation, and so on. You can't change your DNA. ROBERT: Is that what you're saying? SAM KEAN: Yeah, it was a very attractive theory to them in Moscow. I just got custody of my eight-year-old son. That is a bad way to start a kid's life but that's just the beginning of the kid's life. ], [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: This could mean sterilization, it could mean getting an IUD.]. A little village? Barbara tried to get a law passed requiring just that. No, I've only had somebody call and say they regret that they didn't stay on birth control. I ended up finding myself really conflicted about it. JAD: That is impossible, so far as we know, but there seems to be this layer on top of the genes. But according to Kammerer, shortly after these toads got into the water, they did begin to evolve fast. Who, together, pledged more than $150,000 to her program.]. PAT: And she says oftentimes the women who want help have a really hard time finding it. And she told Barbara, "There's something you need to know about this baby.". ], [ARCHIVAL Clip, Panel: What's the worst thing you have been called by one of your critics? LATIF: Still, still standing. A few years later, there'd be a harsh winter. How old are your boys right now? Move on to the next cage, yes, no? [chuckles], Yes, yes. Like, I mean, as far as positives can go, I think I hit the jackpot. LULU: Yeah, thats it. I think the Swedish data are really, really strong, and very reliable. More of this particular protein. She's 22 now and she's never even met her birth mom. The show in in the radiolab eye sky transcript of was interested in his life In And bring the eye Amount of long-distance Runners and they had a Radiolab podcast about it and they. PAT: I asked Barbara about some of the things that she'd said because, to be totally honest, they kind of turn my stomach. CARL ZIMMER: You know, the fact is that taking care of animals, trying to keep them alive in a building is not an easy thing, especially if it's 1903. And when I found out the bill didn't pass, I just thought, "I have to come up with something else. I just saw them as child abusers. And I know fate is gonna give them a couple random mutations in those genes. According to Darwin, life and changes are ruled by chance. ROBERT: And then the next one after that. Were there any consequences? Like, mine are bigger, you know." The kingdom archive. And in1923, he actually comes to England. ROBERT: By all accounts a pretty good-looking guy. He hit the lecture circuit and he hit it big. You cant say that. But she says she doesn't feel that way anymore. Then World War One came and that disrupted everything. I mean, the idea that they could be constrained by their DNA, that maybe one of us gave them a bit of DNA thats gonna hold them back? A really good radiolab about this called Inheritance. It's a small forest area, very beautiful. Its something I still think about all the time. PAT: Lynn has become one of Barbara's fiercest critics. And then they're going to basically revel at that particular spot and turn on that gene. ROBERT: He was a born nurturer and he adored animals. Then she goes, "Oh wait, I didn't give birth to you. What happens when moms lick their pups is that the pup beccomes aroused. MICHAEL MEANEY: That activates maternal behavior. ], [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: I'm going to go out into the streets and offer addicted women money to use birth control. It would be wrong to think that they represent all women who use drugs while they're pregnant. I wonder how much you believe in it. PAT: She did. JAD: [laughs] Youre just just judo, that's all this is. OLOV BYGREN: Yes, we are really data-rich. It was something they acquired during their lifetime. I like you, I get the sense that there's a lot of warmth in you. JAD: It's off-limits. If you've already had a kid, you can be sterilized. And that's when things would start to get out of control. PAT: The question that was stuck in my head right then was, "If you could choose between being born knowing that your life might end up like that and not like it is now, or not been born at all, what would you have done?". [ARCHIVAL Clip, Panel: Well, I mean, Hitler thought that if you were Jewish, that you had given up the right to be a mother and hed sterilize people as well. That's a lot of people. Like Id be like, Weve got the keys, were gonna trash the house., LATIF: Anyway, we think about that all the time and I was just talking to Lulu about that and she was just like, You know, theres a radiolab about this.. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: You have to do that for five hours a day for six consecutive days. MICHAEL MEANEY: Kick off certain hormonal systems. I mean, he hates water. As a parent, you are a tiny blip in a very, very, long story. JAD: Don't you see, somehow the mother's tongue is getting all the way down in there and going [mumbles] and messing with the baby's DNA. You can't see that on the radio but, hey, it's a fact of life. ROBERT: And those lucky ones, according to Darwin's theory, they would have had to have been born with some random mutation in their genes SAM KEAN: That gave them an advantage in this situation. Radiolab: From Tree to Shining Tree LISTEN Three guests: Suzanne Simard, a professor of forest ecology and teacher at the University of British Columbia, Jennifer Frazer, a science writer that has a blog called The Artful Amoeba, and Roy Halling, a mycologist. And they had more. They began to grow these all puffy things on their hands. He said, "If you were a boy, and you starve between the ages of 9 and 12, and then you went on to become a father, then a grandfather, your grandkids". You're finishing college, right? JAD: They all go down to the DNA, surround that methyl and just, pow! I mean that's a different kind of odds, but its Our staff includes Alan Horn, Soren Wheeler, Pat Walters With help from Matt Kielty, Chris [unintelligible 01:04:17], Special thanks to Martin [unintelligible 01:04:21], Copyright 2022 New York Public Radio. To any drug-addicted woman who will agree to have no more babies. This is real physical-chemical interaction between what's going on in the environment and what's going on with the DNA. PEJK MALINOVSKI: It says "registrera", register. JAD: Thanks to Olov Bygren, reporter Pejk Malinovski and KARIN BORGKVIST LJUNG: Karin Borgkvist Ljung, and I'm a senior archivist at the National Archive in Marieberg in Stockholm. As to diabetes, it was a four-fold risk. JAD: In any case, these books tell you when each of these folks died, how they died. My home village was 10 miles North of polar circle. It all came down to this jar with his toad in it. Look, in the end, what do I know? I want to start with a parental day dream for a second. PAT: But a year later, the social worker called again. Radiolab Society & Culture Science Latest Transcripts What Up Holmes? Where we sought, they will find. Radiolab is on YouTube! I wonder. JAD: People can't just will themselves into a more perfect form. ROBERT: Truth is, we dont know precisely how this happens but somehow the experience of starvation marks the DNA. JAD: Look, in the end, what do I know? CARL ZIMMER: He was revealing it with experiments. SAM KEAN: This is what's called the slow growth period. He's the guy who told us about Olov's work. And all over the political spectrum, from Hollywood lefties to social conservatives. They willed the neck to get longer, the muscles to get bigger. Destiny says one day, she and her mom were in the car, and her mom said She said, "I don't know, you know, maybe they'll grow bigger? JAD: You know, inside these cells, in the center, coiled up in little spools, is the DNA. Support Radiolab by becoming a member of The Lab today. It goes back to the 1800s. When they got another call from a social worker saying that same mother, Destiny's birth mother, had given birth to another child. Live shows were first offered in 2008. Is it a big town? But were getting ahead of ourselves here. CARL ZIMMER: But there were a lot of skeptics. I'm Carl Zimmer's daughter. MICHAEL MEANEY: That's it. And when she had a baby. I got to say this is spooky. And I knew that the only way I was going to get a daughter was if I went and became a foster parent and asked for one. As to diabetes, it was a four-fold risk. CHARLOTTE ZIMMER: Radiolab is supported in part by the National Science Foundation and CHARLOTTE and VERONICA ZIMMER: The Alfred P. Sloan Foundation. Or does it get passed on such a deep level that doesn't even require teaching? ROBERT: I think that makes a lot of sense. Is that what you're saying? JAD: And at first, it didn't go so well because, you know, if you're a land toad and you're trying to have sex in the water, it's kind of hard. So were getting close to the moment of truth, because there it is. ROBERT: They won't grow much on the outside, but on the inside OLOV BYGREN: That is the time where the sperms are developing. Get personalized recommendations, and learn where to watch across hundreds of streaming providers. CARL ZIMMER: Well, there was an expert on reptiles named G. Kingsley Noble. It was this struggle for a few years. Like have you ever had one of those moments where you suddenly are your dad and it catches you off guard? And as soon as she got there to pick him up, she could tell that something was wrong. ROBERT: They could eat twice, three times as much. [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: She's offering $200. I mean, when you think of Kammerer, there was a report in science outlining a theory about how Kammerer's toads got these characteristics that invoked these epigenetic inheritance and imprinted genes and it made it plausible. With NPR's Rough Translation. ROBERT: Okay, so lets get going and stick with your boy, Lamarck, just for a sec. BARBARA HARRIS: After I've gotten to know so many of the women. Instead of dying at 40, I'd live to 70? [expletive] That was awesome. PAT: Like shed give the women a choice. Or is it? SAM KEAN: Very easily. It's against the rules. I'm graduating in December. Darwin's theory would have said, you know, 90% of the toads are going to die. Something happens on the molecular level. Suddenly you're marked. I'm almost done. CARL ZIMMER: That's the kind of guy he is. And eventually, over the millenia, what youd get, is a creature with a very long neck. I had asked for a newborn, so when the social worker called me, she said, "I have this cute little baby girl for you but she's eight months old. JAD: They suddenly had to get by on a tiny fraction of the food that they were used to. She was thinking Can I offer these women money to use birth control? CARL ZIMMER: And when it came time to mate, the males and the females, they would mate in the water. But wouldnt it be nice if thats how it worked? She and I snuck away from the children into her office. JAD: If the genes are the bottom floor, then this layer on top is sometimes called the epigenome and that thing can change based on your experiences. I wouldn't want to put it up to chance, because what kind of life is that? PAT: And she told Barbara, "There's something you need to know about this baby.". Anyhow, so you got this guy, Paul Kammerer, who's good with animals. Here, Kammerer's was saying, "You can do this even on a physical level.". DESTINY HARRIS: To her, I matter. CARL ZIMMER: He's not just talking about toads anymore, he's gone way beyond toads. They've seen it and they've repeated the experience. Even though Destiny's mom was doing all sorts of drugs during her pregnancy and the doctors told Barbara that Destiny was going to be mentally and physically delayed Not feeling the way I'm supposed to feel. His reputation was that he could get inside the mind of, say, a salamander and know just what it wanted to eat. Barbara started finding herself on panels with women who'd use drugs during their pregnancies. But according to Kammerer, shortly after these toads got into the water, they did begin to evolve fast. And again, Barbara thinks, "Come on, but if this little girl is here, she should be with her brother and sister. It does, it does make kind of a folk sense. SAM KEAN: And, you know, there was kind of antisemitism growing at this time, so he thought that someone had framed him, and six weeks after Nobel published his results in Nature, Kammerer sent a letter to Moscow. The next stage, yes, no? One-fourth? Please welcome Barbara.]. I guess retard. That's Sam Kean again. He was a born nurturer and he adored animals. JAD: I mean, it's pretty common but like, here's a for instance, my dad from my entire life had this thing where if someone was whistling, he would like they could be whistling six tables over in a restaurant and he would turn around and be like, "Stop that," it was like it was scraping his very nerves. When they got another call from a social worker saying that same mother, Destiny's birth mother, had given birth to another child. The event that really sets this story in motion, the set of events, happened a few months after Barbara had brought Destiny home. And there were from the beginning. JAD: Now, according to Carl, your genes are still fixed. But then, a few years would pass, crops would bounce back. You got to help boost if you had a starving grandfather. We had an expression here, "Dig where you stand." "To Whom It May Concern, I have been doing very good. DESTINY HARRIS: No, she was an oops kid. He thought it worked with humans, too. Like, "How did this happen? Kammerer thought, "Wow. JAD: Many years later, he and this woman. PEJK MALINOVSKI: Okay, I'm here. And I've got say, I'm feeling pretty good about this show so far. I wonder how much you believe in it. ROBERT: You wonder, where did that come from? Why would that happen? SMITTY HARRIS: He was just You know, most babies are kinda peaceful, he was never really peaceful. Although, you know, sometimes that your grandfather's suffering helps you. All rights reserved. Yes. Yeah, like you can help them overcome you. We spay them. Move on to the next cage, yes, no? Radiolab is an outstanding radio show broadcast out of New York City on WNYC. TRANSCRIPTS. When I started spending some time with Destiny, Barbara's 22-year-old daughter. My situation turned out positive. ], [ARCHIVAL Clip, Daytime Talkshow: I'd like everybody to meet, please, Barbara Harris. This whole toad thing, to the Darwinian faction, it didn't scan really. We went to the foster home and went in. And Barbara is not offering that. In my naive mind, I didn't have a clue what a big deal this was. And again, Barbara thinks, "Come on, but if this little girl is here, she should be with her brother and sister. We neuter them.". Apparently, those grandkids SAM KEAN: Were less prone to diabetes. I should add too. I mean, were not gonna do that ourselves. I don't have the biggest boobies in the world. I agree with Lynn, that this program does perpetuate a stereotype. That was amazing. Where we began, they will accomplish. Or very many of them right at all, but, you know, his basic idea seems to be true. But this stuff you're telling me about Sweden feels very grim in a certain way. And to believe anything else, that's naive. When rats have more of this protein, they will act more motherly. He was miserable to look at. Researchers have found evidence of structural. ROBERT: One-fourth? JAD: Because you begin with a mother's lick that ends up with a deep, deep change in the baby, not just the good, warm, fuzzy feeling, but a fundamental shift in who that baby is, and who that baby will be. Then she goes, "Oh wait, I didn't give birth to you. If you start smoking when you're 10, 11 something like that, you end up having children with more problems. And I told Destiny I was thinking about this and asked her about it. All rights reserved. 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